Final Tribal Council Thread

First, Jack, don't feel too bad about leaving us. We all have those games that we just can't commit to. For you, it just happened to be this game. In the end, I still love you. <3


Now the hard part. lol




Sharpay – Francesca Hogi – She had the potential for greatness, but ended up getting voted out first, just like you could have had the potential to go far in the game, but instead left on the first night.
Jason – Aneal – This is just a random guess, but I pick Aneal from BBCan 1 because I didn’t know much about him though he ended up going home early.
Diana – Rachel reilly – Lana said it best.  The night we had the endurance challenge, you were there to stir the pot, just like she was in BB12.
Dang – Brad Culpepper – This really came from the private conversation I had with Charlie while we were doing that 9-hour Endurance Challenge, but I heard that you’d dug yourself a grave in your own tribe due to campaigning to get Charlie out the night Diana left.  Similarly, Brad dug himself his own grave in his own tribe because his in-charge attitude built a lot of hatred towards him.
Sabrina – Kat Edersson – Uh-huh, that girl!  She was loyal to a fault in One World with her alliance even though she wasn’t the strongest member of her tribe.  Same with you.  There were nights work got in the way of being at the challenge, which you yourself admitted after Jeremy and Louis fought the Tribal you left.
Larry – Thomas Plant – Another BBCan 1 contestant.  That was the season I actually watched from start to finish.  lol  But Tom had nothing but respect for Emmett.  Larry was the same for Louis, and he also liked the other 2 girls in my alliance, which is what Tom was like with Liza.
Lisbeth – Vytas Baskauskas – Well, you did ask for a Survivor contestant, and here it is.  He wasn’t a stupid person in the game, but not always the most approachable person I’ve ever observed on television either, and you both have a dark past.  Lisbeth had a traumatic childhood and has had to deal with the legal system as she was charged with the murder of Bjurman and two of Blomkvist's colleagues.  Similarly, Vytas was an ex-con before being cast in Blood vs. Water.
Jeremy – Brenda Lowe – She was calm, but she wasn’t exactly unbreakable.  The fight you had with Louis showed that you weren’t unbreakable either, though you’d always be calm within me and Lisbeth.
Charlie – Emmett Blois – His name was always out there and he had a great game, especially when it came to him and Jillian.  I feel he fits you best, although you’re not a bitter juror. <3
Iggy – Gary Levy – returning and making finals, as well as being good at challenges.  That’s all I really need.
Louis – Ozzy Lusth – Did I get that name correct?  His name was always there, but he never gave up in his attempt to make it to the end.  In the same respect, Louis would fight to the end and not once did he quit fighting for his life.
Me – Britney Haynes – I can be a bit of a bitch and sometimes talk smack about some of the other people in the game with my allies like she did with Monet.  That said, like me, there were some people she grew to like as friends in Lane, kind of like I did with the cast after Lisbeth was voted out.

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Louis, during the game a few rounds following the merge when you seemed sure that you would be leaving, you basically threatened the remaining players that if we had not or would not talk to you in private then we would not be getting your jury vote. I consider this an abuse of your power as a juror, and childish as well as bitter, but apparently you do not seem to have a problem with it. So despite the fact that we never interacted in this game, but I may even believe (notice I say "may") that you played the best game of the three finalists, why shouldn't I practice what you preach and refuse to give you my jury vote?

It can't really be an abuse of power until I actually am a juror. If I become a juror and then use that against people, that is one thing, but my approach in the game as a pretty standard strategic one. I publicly stated those things as bait to your side. Ok, who is actually willing to talk to me and how seriously. Your message to me was abrupt, rude, and bad jury management, but it gave me the info I needed. You were confident in your place. Jeremy was the same. His messages to me were way more friendly than yours, but ultimately gave me the same info I needed. He was a loyal guy who was sticking with his alliance. Elsa's contacts with me were a different story altogether. My convo with her immediately revealed that she was the most open out of you 3 to different scenarios and options. I never got the chance to propose much to her because before that happened, Iggy had already approached our side to get you out. I think my comments and "threats" as you call them opened up several chains of information, gave me a better perspective of your alliance, and opened up channels for Iggy (the person who felt at the bottom) to contact me (and others) to make a move. Based on all this, my strategy worked, so for you to say that it was somehow the wrong thing to do doesn't really register with me, because it helped my game.

Now I understand your point that you are asking why should YOU vote for me because you can say the same thing that I did while in the game. Well I think I pointed out the difference. I used the threat in the game to help me. You are using it now as a juror outside of the context of the game. But you can make your decision based on whatever factors you wish. That is your right as a juror.

"Outside of the context of the game?" I am not sure what you mean, as I only regurgitated a philosophy you created yourself. I apologize that you believed only you could apply it to your jury vote.

Hey Dang!

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For the finalists: Where did you vote in each of these three councils? That's all I have. Thanks!

Merge Tribal #5 - Iggy immune & 2 idols played for Louis
3 Voided votes for Louis
2 Votes Lisbeth
1 vote Jeremy

For this tribal, I voted Lisbeth. Iggy approached me about changing up the game. She said Charlie and her were wanting to split the vote in case Lisbeth played an idol. So I voted Lisbeth and the other two voted one each in order to be safe.

Merge Tribal #6 -Iggy Immune
2 votes Jeremy
2 votes Charlie
1 vote Louis
Charlie wins in a tie-breaker

This one was not straightforward at all. I was deep in conversations with Elsa at the time, trying to determine how the vote was going down. After a lot of back and forth, I was able to get Elsa to admit that Jeremy had already voted me in haste, wanting me out the most. However, Iggy and Elsa had come to an agreement on targeting Charlie instead. At first I thought it was nonsense, since why would they screw up this F5 plan when they had things apparently locked up. But eventually I came to trust Elsa's word that Jeremy had voted differently. Well this cost him the game since I was able to tell Charlie that I'm pretty sure our fate is not sealed and that we have a tie on our hands. Sure enough when the votes were revealed, Jeremy had to face Charlie in the tiebreaker, and the rest is history. I voted Jeremy with Charlie, if it wasn't clear.

Merge Tribal #7 - Iggy Immune
2 Votes Charlie
2 Votes Elsa
Elsa wins in a tie-breaker

I outlined how this vote went down in my response to Charlie. I hope you can go back and read that to find out the details for that. I voted Elsa to force the tie.

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"Outside of the context of the game?" I am not sure what you mean, as I only regurgitated a philosophy you created yourself. I apologize that you believed only you could apply it to your jury vote.

Sorry for the confusion. I simply mean that I used the statement within the confines of the game while I was in the game, in order to gain information. You are using it from the jury with no other motive but to hold your vote over my head, which is not tied into strategy because that portion of the game is over. I hope that clears it up.

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Anyways since that was my doing, I want to know how the tribe swap helped or hurt you and how you used it to your advantage.

Hi Sharpay,

The tribe swap definitely helped me since I was the one who chose Tribe Bangerang lol. I stepped up in that challenge since it wasn't based on speed, and by doing so, was able to keep my entire 4-person alliance together leading up to merge. I also strategically chose two inactive members of the other tribe so that we would have "easy votes" leading up to the merge. We only ended up voting out Amy before merge, but still the logic worked out.

Jack Dawson wrote:

Ok first and foremost, to my allies on this game. I am so terribly sorry for abonding you. I feel absolutely horrible and I am still disappointed  that I left.

So to you finalist, I want you guys to list of the players from this game, matched with Big Brother players and Survivor players as to how they played the game.

Hey Jack <3

Okay here goes

Sharpay - Nick BB15 - someone with a lot of personality who had a lot of potential as a player and did impact the game (Sharpay with the tribe swap). I think this swap was crucial as it kept both alliances in the game where it should've sent members from at least one alliance home.
Jason - Val Survivor San Juan Del Sur - Someone who is outspoken and left too soon.
Diana - Amber BB16 (Someone who has a lot of class and left with dignity not outing info she knew)
Dang - Jocasta (An outsider and a victim of circumstance who could have gone far if fate hadn't struck). Don't take Jocasta as an insult, I actually love her, think she had potential, and think she could have done much better if she just made it past the week she was evicted.
Sabrina - Renny BB10 (Very UTR but strong social player with a solid alliance).
Jack - Jerry in Heroes vs. Villains (UTR, chill, and loyal)
Larry - A much more likeable version of Randy from Survivor Gabon (Outspoken, blunt, but on the wrong side of the numbers)
Lisbeth - Amanda in Heroes vs. Villains (Cautious, strong, strategic, paranoid)
Jeremy - Shane from BB14 (Outspoken, loyal, strategic)
Charlie - Parvati (Strategic, excellent social player, sweet yet dangerous)
Louis - NaOnka from Survivor Nicaragua (Extremely lucky, outspoken, opinionated, but had some game to him)
Elsa - Sabrina from Survivor One World (Good socially, open to make moves)

Jack, I actually hate that you left when you did because I was actually planning on working with you much closer because I was worried about the others in our alliance sticking together and voting us out. Oh, what could have been.

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So to you finalist, I want you guys to list of the players from this game, matched with Big Brother players and Survivor players as to how they played the game.

Hi Jack,

Well I'm not being lazy here I honestly don't watch Big Brother. So choosing players for everyone I would have to read blurbs on people and try to guess if they match. I don't think that's what you are looking for, but I will definitely do Survivor matches for people, here goes.

Queen Elsa - Danielle DiLorenzo (Even in your answers, you make it hard to understand exactly what you were up to. The "I didn't even talk to people that much" makes me really confused considering your post count. But yeah, you seem really social but not the main threat of your alliance.)
Jack Dawson - Malcolm Freberg (The hunk of the season. You seemed well liked by your allies, but you went missing and would have been a threat to win if that didn't happen.)
Jeremy Gilbert - Coach Wade (You had social charisma and a cool attitude, but I think you were a bit too much on a one-toned game. You shoulda thrown in a surprise or two to set yourself apart.)
Lisbeth Salander - Jonathan Penner (I'm trying to think of someone who is a great player, but just a little too cocky. Like if you were a bit more humble and focused on schmoozing a couple people, you probably would have had this in the bag.)
Sabrina Spellman - Neleh Dennis (Just a sweet, good-natured girl with a heart of gold.)
Iggy Azalea - Oscar "Ozzy" Lusth (I can't think of too many people who are bigger challenge beasts. You just seemed impossible to take out once it became individual. I had one shot and that's it. So no surprise to me that you were the redemption winner.)
Princess Diana - Sierra Reed (A sweet exterior with a feisty side.)
Sharpay Evans - Jessica "Sugar" Kiper (You seem like a unique, one-of-a-kind person that I can't really compare to anyone else's style or personality.)
Amy Dunne - Shawna Mitchell (Where'd you go?)
Larry Harvey - Spencer Bledsoe (He did most everything right and was well liked, but hit bad luck being booted without even a vote cast against him, due to all those idols.)
Dang Thu Mai - Tyson Apostol (Good appreciation of humor. Not afraid to ruffle feather and target threats.)
Charlie Bradbury - Kim Spradlin (You drew people in and had almost everyone buying what you were selling. A lot of the time you didn't say much, but the alert player could tell you had a lot going on under the surface. Great social game.)
Jason Reso - Andrew Savage (Someone you expect to go far but just didn't catch the breaks, and would do much better with a do-over.)
Christopher Hitchens - Chet Welch
Deadpool - Andria (Dre) "Dreamz" Herd

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Louis - NaOnka from Survivor Nicaragua (Extremely lucky, outspoken, opinionated, but had some game to him)

LMFAO If your mission is to downplay my game, don't make it so obvious by comparing me to one of the worst players of all time. I mean at least be realistic. No one will buy this comparison. But thanks for the laugh.

Thanks for answering my questions, everyone. I had a clear cut favorite going into this, and I haven't changed my mind. One of you did a good job of making me rethink, though.

Iggy I was laughingat your quote saying Iggy, Charlie and Louis agreed whatever else.

I think you played a great game but Lisbeth has good points. But I still liked that you wanted a Iggsary final 3 lol.

Elsa, you were a great team parther to me. So loyal.

Louis. Great social player and seemed liked a lot. Lucky too.

Questions soon.

Kathy. Great hosting and fun twists.

Im still sad I never got to flirt with Jeremy

Interesting identity choices for me. I enjoyed the game and was really busy with work and school. I loved my alliance! Congrats on finals Louis!

Also congrats to Iggy for coming back, which I was hoping happened. When it was revealed that the two of us and Diana were moving on to the final round, I dipped out because I obviously wasn't worthy of final three, so I'm glad it was you because Diana really wasn't either.

Elsa, our paths never crossed but good lord your post count was ridiculous lol! You slayed us with all your posts. Lol!

No questions, good luck to you all. My vote is undecided.

Thanks Sabrina! <3 I loved our alliance too. Awesome group.

Thanks Sabrina and Jeremy <3 I look forward to your questions Jeremy

That reminds me, do you have any questions for me Lisbeth? I am looking forward to what you have to ask.

Louis Litt wrote:

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Louis - NaOnka from Survivor Nicaragua (Extremely lucky, outspoken, opinionated, but had some game to him)

LMFAO If your mission is to downplay my game, don't make it so obvious by comparing me to one of the worst players of all time. I mean at least be realistic. No one will buy this comparison. But thanks for the laugh.

I actually don't think NaOnka is one of the worst players ever. She was playing quite possibly the best 3rd place game I've ever seen on Survivor.
1. She was always on the right side of the numbers.
2. Had the right allies.
3. Had an HII.
4. Made everyone hate her.

She was the perfect person to take to the end and if she hadn't quit, no doubt she would have made it. She would have lost for sure but she still would have made it.

I wasn't trying to downplay your game at all. The reason I gave you her is because there's something about your game I'm really confused about. If what I'm thinking is true, then you really are NaOnka. HOWEVER if I'm wrong, then you're not her.

Before we make our closing statements, there are a few questions I want to ask both of you but for now I'm leaving it to the jury so we will get to a deeper reasoning for why I chose her for you in time.

Sabrina Spellman wrote:

Also congrats to Iggy for coming back, which I was hoping happened. When it was revealed that the two of us and Diana were moving on to the final round, I dipped out because I obviously wasn't worthy of final three, so I'm glad it was you because Diana really wasn't either.

Thanks Sabrina, I really appreciate that

I might have a few questions too, but I'll let you go first Iggy.

However, I don't think we should make closing statements just yet. Jeremy and Larry (and hopefully Jason) still have to ask questions too, and I still would like to see what Lisbeth has for me.

I don't think we should make them either, I just wanted to put that out there so we could all be thinking about our questions.

This is one of the rare times that I had to give up a game. School and work is killer! Iggy, I'm so sorry, but you made it to the end so it still worked out for you haha!

Questions will be up later!

Looking forward to it, Christian!

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there's something about your game I'm really confused about. If what I'm thinking is true, then you really are NaOnka. HOWEVER if I'm wrong, then you're not her.

I'm certain you are even more wrong than you realize.

Well if I am, I do sincerely apologize but I do think that it's best to clear up any confusions before the game ends.

Also if you have any questions for Elsa or myself, you should ask.

I think this is something that should be done in every game, after the jury is done the finalist should ask each other questions if they feel the need to do so.

I'm open to any form of debate you wish to have with me, however it is supposed to be the jurors who control the process, not us. We are their humble servants.

All I ask is for you to not be presumptuous about a person's game when you were not even introduced to me until merge...F6 actually when you decided to turn on your allies.

I mean if you want to play analyze-this with each other, I would be happy to point out the flaws in your game too. But I thought we were all friends here, which is why I was offended by your unnecessary and frankly classless low-blow insult.