Final Tribal Council Thread

lol I forgot to mention that that final vote at the Final 7 was against Jeremy.

Dang Thu Mai wrote:

Um. I have one question I want to check on. Can any of you give me a rundown of every TC since merge? Just the statistics. Number of votes per player, or hidden immunity idols. Unhidden immunity idols. That sort of thing?

Merge Tribal #1 - Elsa Immune
5 Votes Sabrina
4 Votes Deadpool
1 Vote Jack (penalty)

Merge Tribal #2 - Lisbeth Immune & Idols played for Louis & Larry
5 votes Deadpool
3 votes Jeremy
1 vote Jack (penalty)

Merge Tribal #3 Iggy Immune
4 Votes Jack
4 votes Larry
Larry wins in a tie-breaker

Merge Tribal #4 - Iggy Immune & Idols player for Jeremy, Lisbeth, Elsa, and Louis (Dang, this is where you saved Louis with your idol)
4 Votes Louis
2 votes Elsa
1 vote Jeremy
Every vote was voided due to an idol so
Tie breaker between Charlie and Larry sends Larry home.

Merge Tribal #5 - Iggy immune & 2 idols played for Louis
3 Voided votes for Louis
2 Votes Lisbeth
1 vote Jeremy


Merge Tribal #6 -Iggy Immune
2 votes Jeremy
2 votes Charlie
1 vote Louis
Charlie wins in a tie-breaker

Merge Tribal #7 - Iggy Immune
2 Votes Charlie
2 Votes Elsa
Elsa wins in a tie-breaker

Merge Tribal #8 - Louis Immune
1 vote Iggy

Iggy wins on Redemption and comes right back and here we are.

Lol, looks like Elsa beat me to the punch.

I still love you Iggy <3

I concur with Iggy's and Elsa's statistics. They seem accurate and verifiable. Thank you Dang for your compliment.

Hey guys, I am so happy to see you all here! Also thanks Kathy, despite feeling like I was getting my ass kicked constantly this was fun. Final 3, I don't know if we're friends on IMDB, but if not then I'd like to be. Same with the rest of the little alliance that could we had on my tribe, oh and Jeremy. Okay, enough shoutouts!

Louis <3. We were together the whole game, though I have to admit I did want to take you out at certain points. But we were always the minority so that wasn't an option. I'd definitely agree with you on your evaluation of your leadership role *pre-*merge. You did rally the instructions to everyone so we could be more organized and maybe pull off a win (unfortunately the other tribe had a robot with Windows 15 or something running and we couldn't outspeed them).

But I wasn't privy to your private messages or any other private rooms you might have had so your role in deciding the votes to me seemed very...passive. It looked to me like I picked a name and you said "Sure, I'll do that. Good night". Am I wrong, what were you doing that I didn't get to see?

Also it seems like if the jury hadn't been secretly sending you idols you'd be long out. Does that sound accurate? Or did you always know you'd be fine? I hope you don't take these too personally by the way, I still love ya.

Iggy:  No matter what anyone says, I did see your strategy and the Lisbeth vote was primarily ours, I give you lots of credit for that. And I don't fault you too hard for already being voted out because you did make final 3 originally and that's always what Kathy wanted it to be. I'm not sure if I understand your multiple flips though. The first flip yeah, I could tell you weren't really fitting in that crowd and I tried to make you feel as welcomed and comfortable as possible with us. But then it comes out that you never intended to stay with us and flipped back, which pretty much left us doomed again. Didn't you think that doing all this would piss a lot of people off? I'm not bitter, but I'm not sure it was very smart.

Elsa: Girl, can we build a snowman? You all sounded like it was more of a party over there with all those posts and challenge wins and since I made an early alliance with you and Lisbeth (though she didn't vote the way I wanted after we got back together ), I was sad not to see you on my tribe. What do you think was the most important part of your game that got you here? Winning so many challenges and getting that majority fast, or was it more social? You have a godly amount of posts now

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Biggest move. And it has to be one that worked. Go.

Try to guess the juror's ID's (at least the active ones, I don't think anyone really cares who Christopher was).

Harry Potter or Star Wars? Yes, this is an important question with a right answer.

Okay, I'm done.

I should be able to come up with questions for Elsa and Iggy next, but for now I would like to direct my thoughts to Louis.

Louis, during the game a few rounds following the merge when you seemed sure that you would be leaving, you basically threatened the remaining players that if we had not or would not talk to you in private then we would not be getting your jury vote. I consider this an abuse of your power as a juror, and childish as well as bitter, but apparently you do not seem to have a problem with it. So despite the fact that we never interacted in this game, but I may even believe (notice I say "may") that you played the best game of the three finalists, why shouldn't I practice what you preach and refuse to give you my jury vote?

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Iggy:  No matter what anyone says, I did see your strategy and the Lisbeth vote was primarily ours, I give you lots of credit for that. And I don't fault you too hard for already being voted out because you did make final 3 originally and that's always what Kathy wanted it to be. I'm not sure if I understand your multiple flips though. The first flip yeah, I could tell you weren't really fitting in that crowd and I tried to make you feel as welcomed and comfortable as possible with us. But then it comes out that you never intended to stay with us and flipped back, which pretty much left us doomed again. Didn't you think that doing all this would piss a lot of people off? I'm not bitter, but I'm not sure it was very smart.

Nevermind, this is the perfect question to ask Iggy, and it was something I was hoping to put into words myself. Ultimately, I can understand the move made against me, but with the flip flopping I consider it sloppy and like you may not have put much thought into it. Oh, and I suppose while on the topic, why lie when I came to you with nothing and ask you to play the idol on me? You could have ignored me, or even laughed in my face and told me I was going. It was final six and the final round for me to use an idol if I had one, so if I did have another that you may have been worried about I would have been playing it no matter what, so you can't exactly say you were worried that I would be playing one. I understand lies when they are necessary to the game, but this one was not.

Thanks for the stats! I didn't know what to ask, but now I have a better idea.

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Merge Tribal #5 - Iggy immune & 2 idols played for Louis
3 Voided votes for Louis
2 Votes Lisbeth
1 vote Jeremy


Merge Tribal #6 -Iggy Immune
2 votes Jeremy
2 votes Charlie
1 vote Louis
Charlie wins in a tie-breaker

Merge Tribal #7 - Iggy Immune
2 Votes Charlie
2 Votes Elsa
Elsa wins in a tie-breaker

For the finalists: Where did you vote in each of these three councils? That's all I have. Thanks!

Charlie Bradbury wrote:

Elsa: Girl, can we build a snowman? You all sounded like it was more of a party over there with all those posts and challenge wins and since I made an early alliance with you and Lisbeth (though she didn't vote the way I wanted after we got back together ), I was sad not to see you on my tribe. What do you think was the most important part of your game that got you here? Winning so many challenges and getting that majority fast, or was it more social? You have a godly amount of posts now

All:

Biggest move. And it has to be one that worked. Go.

Try to guess the juror's ID's (at least the active ones, I don't think anyone really cares who Christopher was).

Harry Potter or Star Wars? Yes, this is an important question with a right answer.

I'm glad I got here. Honestly, if anyone who isn't here deserves to be, it's you. I know that because had I lost the tiebreaker, you'd be sitting in my place.

I was sad not to have you on my tribe as well Charlie. We would have been great together. I didn't win a lot of challenges individually, though the 2nd challenge I did do the brain-work behind when we had to deal with Cirque du Soleil. As for that number of posts, it's much like those ice powers I couldn't control. I don't know how it happened, but it did and now I embrace it.

So the most important part of my game I feel like I've already mentioned, but it was being open to communicate with other people, such as yourself and Louis, so I guess it was more of a social thing. lol

The biggest move I did I'd think was getting myself, Lisbeth, and Jeremy to use our Idols that ended up sending Larry home with no votes. Without those Idols, either Jeremy or myself would have finished in his spot.

For ID, I KNEW someone was going to ask that. I have actually guessed the entire cast when we were still on different tribes and gave reasons, so


Larry - Henry (I thought Russ too due to poor sportsmanship in some challenges, but some of the stuff you say reaffirms my guess of you being Henry, who I originally thought was a shoe-in for Larry)
Lisbeth - John (In a way, you compare to another character John played as long ago. Harley was my initial guess, but my guesses changed a lot when it came to you.)
Chris - Rob (Rob has had to deal with pneumonia when the game began, and like yourself, Rob hasn't been active in almost a month)
Jeremy - Jessica (Who other than Kim picks a character who is either a vampire or is related to vampires in a mystery game where you can be anybody? lol Also, how convenient would it be for Jess to be you considering that Kim was Elena Gilbert in a mystery game and you and Elena are siblings just like Kim and Jessica are siblings?)
Jason - Mykee (Who else picks WWE characters in a mystery game where you can be anybody? lol The only one I know who is that familiar with WWE is Mykee.)
Jack - Justin (Justin is a constant nominee for Biggest Hunk at the Spazzies, and you look very handsome. Also, Justin doesn't always vote on time, and you left in the middle of the game)
Deadpool - RTF (lol RTF goes inactive almost every game he signs up for)
Louis - Mikey (Some of the stuff you say had me deadset on you being Mikey since Day 1)
Dang - Nat (If there's anyone on IMDb I can relate comic books to, it's Nat. That's the only reason I think you're Nat, though I did have you down as Jimmy at one point.)
Sabrina - Tara (You both share a nice and loyal personality. Tara isn't always too active, which matches with you missing a few nights and making it to the merge loved by your initial tribe.)
Iggy - Arik (I heard you're Arik, which makes sense since he's good at challenges. The wild guess you had on me being Arik was a bit weird once I thought about it more. You could also be John, Harley, or JB, but at this point, Arik is the best bet.)
Sharpay - Cherry (Your goodbye rant after the first Immunity where you outed Diana, Charlie, Dang, and Larry had that Caps Lock thing Cherry likes to do, and the part of not figuring Shakespeare's most popular saying matches Cherry too)
Charlie - Thanasis (You and Thanny are cheerful people not afraid to play hardball in games. I know you were in Survivor Insomnia because you mentioned the inactivity of a certain tribe in the game before we even ever got our first tribes.)
Amy - Harley (Harley was gone for a bit in Reality TV Idol and has seen Gone Girl. I initially had you down as Rob, and at one point, I pegged you with Alaina.)
Diana - Neil (Wild Guess)


Now, Star Wars and Harry is actually going to be fun to answer. I don't think I have a preference between the 2, so what I can admit is that I like both of them about the same. The 1st 2 movies for each, while I still like them, aren't the best, but come the 3rd film, that's when I grew fond of them. Hopefully that answers that question.

Also Diana

I forgot to add this but me referring to you as "Lady Di" was also me being Iggy because she refers to you as Lady Di in one of her songs...

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See me walking by with my nose in the sky
Make you be like "Damn bitch, can't say hi?"
Then I hop in the drop and I wave goodbye
As I drive through the tunnel looking like Lady Di

Answers to Charlie, Dang, and Lisbeth coming up.

I dont know if yall know it or not, but I was captain of "Tribe Bois" during the tribe swap. Boi is the name of my puppy. Shouldve been obvious. Anyways since that was my doing, I want to know how the tribe swap helped or hurt you and how you used it to your advantage.

Dang, I voted Louis at the Final 6, and then the other 2 times, I voted Charlie.  At the Final 6, I still didn't like Louis too much.  I began to like him more after that though.

Voting Charlie, on the other hand, those votes pained me.  I voted Charlie the 1st time because I couldn't get the target off of her.  It wasn't till after I voted that I find out Jeremy voted Louis because I had made an appeal to keep Charlie in the game since I promised her that's what I would do for her, so Louis could easily have been where Jeremy finished.

The 2nd time I voted Charlie, it was because I thought I could get Louis to vote to keep me that Tribal so that I wouldn't have had to deal with a tiebreaker.  It was the night I proved to Louis that I was willing to work with him even after the number of times I have tried to get him out.

Sharpay Evans wrote:

I dont know if yall know it or not, but I was captain of "Tribe Bois" during the tribe swap. Boi is the name of my puppy. Shouldve been obvious. Anyways since that was my doing, I want to know how the tribe swap helped or hurt you and how you used it to your advantage.

Ah, so that was you!? I actually thought Dang had won that, so what it did really was make us paranoid of Dang possibly having an Idol. Other than that, the swap didn't affect me too much at all.

Ah Beautiful garden of roses I knew I was forgetting something! Of course we can build a snowman Charlie. <3

Charlie Bradbury wrote:

Iggy:  No matter what anyone says, I did see your strategy and the Lisbeth vote was primarily ours, I give you lots of credit for that. And I don't fault you too hard for already being voted out because you did make final 3 originally and that's always what Kathy wanted it to be. I'm not sure if I understand your multiple flips though. The first flip yeah, I could tell you weren't really fitting in that crowd and I tried to make you feel as welcomed and comfortable as possible with us. But then it comes out that you never intended to stay with us and flipped back, which pretty much left us doomed again. Didn't you think that doing all this would piss a lot of people off? I'm not bitter, but I'm not sure it was very smart.

Charlie, that move was a high risk high reward type thing.  I felt it would make or break my game and I said "screw it, let's do it."  I was planning on the final 3 being me/Elsa/Jeremy so I was thinking the only juror I would upset would be Lisbeth.

I basically put myself in your shoes.  I've been in your spot many times before where the only thing I needed was to get past this one round and I feel like the entire game could have been different.  Regardless of me flipping back, I felt I was helping you guys get past another round in the game.  Had it been me, even if the person had flipped back after they save me I would appreciate them helping me survive the round they did and it would be game on.  No hard feelings.  You weren't doomed when I flipped back, Charlie you made final 4 despite the fact that I flipped back at final 5 and tried to vote you out.  I'm going to say the same thing to you that I said to Louis in private when I flipped back.  It wasn't game over, your torch was not snuffed.  You were down but you weren't out.  You could have found another way to the finals and Charlie, you came dangerously close to doing just that.

I honestly think you should have tried to work with Jeremy/Elsa to get me out if and when I wasn't immune.

Also Charlie I really like you, but me taking you to the end would have been the dumbest thing I could have possibly done and I hope the player in you can respect that.  I needed you gone if I wanted to win.  I said myself, I would have voted for you if you made finals, I feel like out of everybody in this game (myself included) YOU PLAYED THE BEST GAME.

Everybody likes you, you were apparently running your tribe pre-merge, you were the one who approached me about flipping and even though I initially turned you down, you were the one who got me thinking, and you won 2 tie-breakers. You were also one of the most UTR people on your tribe despite being in control.

Girl, you had it going on.  I couldn't bring you here and say I deserved to win.  That's like Woo taking Tony to the end, he was an idiot.

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Biggest move. And it has to be one that worked. Go.

Getting Lisbeth out. I was constantly reassessing the cast and figuring out who I had the best shot at beating in the end and who stood in the way of me making it to the end. At final 6, I feel like the 3 people who wanted the win the most were myself, Lisbeth, and Charlie. I saw the same fire in Lisbeth that I have myself and I knew she was determined to win this game so she had to go. This also put me in the swing vote position at final 5 making me the most powerful player as both sides needed my vote.

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Try to guess the juror's ID's (at least the active ones, I don't think anyone really cares who Christopher was).

I'm usually able to ID players but this game I have no clue. There are all random guesses.

Diana - Cindy (total sweetheart who everyone likes and plays UTR)
Sharpay - DanielB (Very feisty and fierce, had the potential to be a great player)
Jason - Marquis? (Random as hell)
Dang - John (the personality fits but Dang seemed more honest than John)
Sabrina - soco (good social game, working so wasn't able to make every challenge)
Larry - Straightloonz?? (the personality)
Jack - JB?
Lisbeth - (someone driven to win, calculates every move, is a good leader, and good in challenges)
Jeremy - Arik (a bit feisty but a solid player who's a good strategist)
Charlie - PRP (Really great player all around physical, social, and strategic and someone I wouldn't want to take to finals)
Elsa - kyogre123 (Loyal and a really good player)
Louis - Mikey (I give Elsa credit for this. She spotted him a mile away and initially I thought she was wrong but now I think she's 100% right. Louis' gameplay reminds me of another player Mikey portrayed in a mystery game and the personality fits too.

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Harry Potter or Star Wars? Yes, this is an important question with a right answer.

Neither but if I had to choose, Harry Potter. I've never seen Star Wars but I've seen a few of the Harry Potter movies before I got bored and stopped watching them.

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Nevermind, this is the perfect question to ask Iggy, and it was something I was hoping to put into words myself. Ultimately, I can understand the move made against me, but with the flip flopping I consider it sloppy and like you may not have put much thought into it. Oh, and I suppose while on the topic, why lie when I came to you with nothing and ask you to play the idol on me? You could have ignored me, or even laughed in my face and told me I was going. It was final six and the final round for me to use an idol if I had one, so if I did have another that you may have been worried about I would have been playing it no matter what, so you can't exactly say you were worried that I would be playing one. I understand lies when they are necessary to the game, but this one was not.

Believe it or not Lisbeth, your vote and lying to you was the hardest thing for me to do in this game because you totally didn't deserve it. It was all strategy. I knew I was throwing away your vote when I did it but I felt it had to be done. The flip flopping is something that's done all the time. Take Tony (Cagayan) for example, he flipped twice to work with Tasha/Spencer then flipped back with his main alliance to vote them out. Spencer respected his game and voted for him to win.

I did it to ensure I wasn't fourth and I STILL HAVE YET TO BE TOLD I WASN'T FOURTH even though I've brought this up with all 3 of you (Elsa/Jeremy/Lisbeth) and Elsa said she'd be leaning towards voting me out but wasn't sure and you never responded to my post in the Kiwa tribe and Jeremy didn't answer that part of the post I made either. If I was 4th, I made the right move. Point blank period.

Anyway, I needed to be needed. If it was final 5 and it was us 4 against 1 and I lost the immunity challenge, I could see you guys potentially taking me out then for being a challenge threat. Even if you guys didn't, you could have taken me out at final 4. I felt by flipping and sending home a member from our alliance, I became needed because it was 2-2-1 with me being the one.

The lying was done partially because I was afraid you had an idol and partially for Larry. Sorry girl but you did it to him and we had talked briefly before he left about working together. I hate ignoring people/being ignored and I wouldn't have laughed in your face, that's horrible.

Dang Thu Mai wrote:

Thanks for the stats! I didn't know what to ask, but now I have a better idea.

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Merge Tribal #5 - Iggy immune & 2 idols played for Louis
3 Voided votes for Louis
2 Votes Lisbeth
1 vote Jeremy


Merge Tribal #6 -Iggy Immune
2 votes Jeremy
2 votes Charlie
1 vote Louis
Charlie wins in a tie-breaker

Merge Tribal #7 - Iggy Immune
2 Votes Charlie
2 Votes Elsa
Elsa wins in a tie-breaker

For the finalists: Where did you vote in each of these three councils? That's all I have. Thanks!

The round Lisbeth left, I voted for Jeremy so that in case Lisbeth played an idol, Jeremy would leave.
The next 2 rounds I voted for Charlie because I saw her as my biggest threat.

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The lying was done partially because I was afraid you had an idol and partially for Larry. Sorry girl but you did it to him and we had talked briefly before he left about working together. I hate ignoring people/being ignored and I wouldn't have laughed in your face, that's horrible.

It was almost a sufficient answer until this. I explained thoroughly why you did not need to lie about using your idol that round, and to justify lying to your fellow alliance member who you turned on by comparing it to me lying to someone outside of our alliance in order to protect us (if I told him he was the vote, he could have have played an Idol and got rid of one of us) simply will not do, in my opinion.

Sharpay Evans wrote:

I dont know if yall know it or not, but I was captain of "Tribe Bois" during the tribe swap. Boi is the name of my puppy. Shouldve been obvious. Anyways since that was my doing, I want to know how the tribe swap helped or hurt you and how you used it to your advantage.

I LOVED the tribe swap. Thank you Sharpay. You kept my entire alliance (Me/Lisbeth/Jeremy/Elsa/Jack) together. It helped me because it basically guaranteed me and my alliance merge as long as Dang didn't have an idol. You set us up to have the majority post merge so that's how it helped me.

I actually thought Lisbeth and Elsa were the captains because I noticed their ID's changed colors during the process to white, but I did notice you and Jason were active during that time and that both your post count jumped by at least 15. If I remember correctly, yours jumped by 22. I pointed that out to my tribe that I thought you two did the challenge. I just thought you guys were doing it for Redemption Island and not for Team Captain.

Ok first and foremost, to my allies on this game. I am so terribly sorry for abonding you. I feel absolutely horrible and I am still disappointed that I left.

So to you finalist, I want you guys to list of the players from this game, matched with Big Brother players and Survivor players as to how they played the game.

OK, Jack's question might be hard I'll do what I can, but if it comes out sloppy, be warned that I don't really watch too much Survivor or Big Brother.

Lisbeth would prefer a Survivor comparison.

Working on questions now.

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But I wasn't privy to your private messages or any other private rooms you might have had so your role in deciding the votes to me seemed very...passive. It looked to me like I picked a name and you said "Sure, I'll do that. Good night". Am I wrong, what were you doing that I didn't get to see?

Charlie girl! Yes, I understand your perception completely with these remarks. I took the initiative to help found/setup/suggest lol our original four way alliance with you, Sabrina, Larry, and I. What you didn't know was all the behind the scenes social work I was always working on. My very first ally in the game was Larry. We made a F2 deal right away. In fact we had an alliance with Christopher before the tribes were announced, but we all know what happened with him. We were lucky to end up on the same tribe, and when I asked him about other allies, it seemed we both had been talking with you and Sabrina already. I think our alliance was natural and obviously it had some success. Obviously when it came time to vote, I was happy enough to go with the alliance's initial choice and was intentionally allowing you to be more of the "leader" than myself. Like you said, I couldn't help but get excited in the challenges and try to help us succeed, but I was strategically happy to have someone else take charge on the voting. I figured in the long run it would help me maintain a more UTR position with you being viewed as more of a threat. Also, one of the first things you said to me when discussing votes was, yeah I have control of Dang's vote, he will do what I say. This threw up a warning flag to your power and influence which Larry and I were both weary about and hoped you wouldn't cut us out over him if it came to that.

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Also it seems like if the jury hadn't been secretly sending you idols you'd be long out. Does that sound accurate? Or did you always know you'd be fine? I hope you don't take these too personally by the way, I still love ya.

No offense taken. That is accurate, but I don't see that as some lucky thing that just fell in my lap. Behind the scenes I had a solid rapport with Diana, Dang, and Reso, even though they were all eventual victims to our alliance sticking together at their expense. I think I was the only one actually being honest with them about what was going on with our tribe, and I think that carried over into them wishing to use their power in the game to support me and my success moving forward. So I view that as strong social game on my part.


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Biggest move. And it has to be one that worked. Go.

Most of my moves were subtle because I was not able to compete with other players physically. But the one move that stands out to me is the F4 scenario. I think this may even be new information to you Charlie, so I hope you don't get too mad. But Iggy and Elsa easily calculated that they would have a better time tying with me and beating me in a tiebreaker, thus bringing you to F3 with them. However, I was able to talk my way out of that, by convincing them I would avoid a tiebreaker altogether and reluctantly vote you out. They took my work for it and my little white lie worked. Now I was of course hoping you would beat Elsa like you beat the other players in those comps. Unfortunately for you and I, Elsa came out on top, but it selfishly allowed me to have a chance to win the last challenge and get to this position.

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Try to guess the juror's ID's (at least the active ones, I don't think anyone really cares who Christopher was).

I actually do think I know who Christopher was: Robs_Film, who sadly had to drop out of many events due to a family tragedy.

The rest of these are pretty much guesses:
Sharpay - Harley
Deadpool - JB
Amy Dunne - Alaina
Jason Reso - Matty
Jack Dawson - Jimmy or DJMykee
Jeremy Gilbert - Javi
Lisbeth Salander - Russ
Sabrina Spellman - Cherry
Princess Diana - Thanasis
Larry Harvey - Henry
Dang Thu Mai - Nat
Charlie Bradbury - Jessica

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Harry Potter or Star Wars? Yes, this is an important question with a right answer.

Harry Potter.